Navy Seal Team SIX episode – something fishy

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Pakistan TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s Death

By Paul Craig Roberts

August 06, 2011 Information Clearing House— In my recent article, “Creating Evidence Where There Is None,” about the alleged killing of Osama bin Laden by a commando team of US Seals in Abbottabad, Pakistan, I provided a link to a Pakistani National TV interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to the alleged “compound” of Osama bin Laden. I described the story that Bashir gave of the “attack” and its enormous difference from the one told by the US government. In Bashair’s account, every member of the landing party and anyone brought from the house died when the helicopter exploded on lift-off. I wrote that a qualified person could easily provide a translation of the interview, but that no American print or TV news organization had investigated Bashir’s account.

An attorney with a British Master of Laws degree in international law and diplomacy, who was born in Pakistan, provided the translation below. He writes: “I have no problem with being identified as the translator, but would prefer to remain anonymous.”

The translator provides these definitions and clarifications:

“Gulley” is generally referred (in Urdu) to a sidewalk or pavement. Also for the space between two houses.

“kanal” is a traditional unit of land area, so that one kanal equals exactly 605 square yards or 1/8 Acre; this is equivalent to about 505.857 square meters.

Muhammad Bashir refers to himself as “We”. This is common respectable language for the self; to use the plural term instead of singular. The English language equivalent would be the “Royal, We”.

Urdu is the national language and lingua franca of Pakistan.

The translator:
I have translated the entire text of the video.


I have tried my best to keep words in a chronological order, but in some cases this is not possible, as in translation words must be replaced in reverse order to make sense! However, I have had to put a few words in brackets to clarify meaning. If you want to ask about any section – please supply time stamp and I will supply a contextual text.

Video Transcript:

welcome back! – Muhammad Bashir, Abotabad Area, Bilal Town resident, Looks like an ordinary person, but he is no ordinary person! Muhammad Bashir, lives in Abotabad’s, Bilal Town Opposite Bin Laden’s House.

Night of 2nd May Muhammad Bashir was on the roof of his house, whereupon, the entire OBL, American operation was seen with his own eyes.

Last night, when our team was in Abotabad, Bilal Town, near OBL house, Muhammad Bashir approached me and said that:
“Sister, I want to tell you something that is a great burden on my heart and conscience” – Listen to what he said:

00:59 Muhammad Bashir: I.. today… would like to comment about todays Abotabad operation events, until now, what I am about to say, no person has said.

01:08: Reporter: But, Muhammad Bashir sahib appeared frightened. While speaking to me, Muhammad Bashir sahib phoned his
relative; leader, M.E.A. of Jamaat-e-islami, Abotabad, Abdul Razaq Abaasi on the phone.

01:21: reporter: Tell me your name and where do you live?
Muhammad Bashir: – One minute, first I need to speak to him…I am going to give an interview, a complete interview. Shall I give a
complete interview or half?
Reporter: Complete! – complete!
Muhammad Bashir: I first need to phone him, I need to speak to him
Reporter: I could of…

01:39: Reporter: Muhammad Bashir sahib, on that night’s events of the American operation, that took place, he expressed such comments about circumstances that have never been expressed before, therefore, we checked his ID card, his place of residence and we can confirm that he definitely lives there and we also approached senior politicians and asked about him, after hearing his comments, we were amazed – now you watch what he said.

01:57: Muhammad Bashir: The events that happened are thus; we were awake, we were not asleep.
02:00: Muhammad Bashir: a Helicopter came, and circled and dropped some people there.
02:07: Muhammad Bashir: in that house… where they are saying; Osama lives here, on that house’s roof, they dropped people, after that, the helicopter returned and went back.
02:16: Reporter: How many people were they?
02:18: Muhammad Bashir: They were ten, twelve people
02:20: Muhammad Bashir: After that it left and for approximately 20 minutes, there behind us, on those mountains, it kept going around, the top of the mountains.
02:27: After 20 minutes, it returned. When it returned, at that time there were TWO more helicopters arrived. One came
from the West and one came from the North. When it approached for landing, after that…

At this point;Video cut and resumed:

02:41: Muhammad Bashir: that helicopter, there was an explosion within it and there was fire within it, immediately, we
came out and arrived there. When we arrived, the helicopter was on fire, it was burning. After that, about twenty
minutes later the Army arrived, the police arrived. They moved all of us back…
03:04: Muhammad Bashir: …and all the people inside it, all of them…we think; if Osama was inside it, or inside this house – then who took him to the Americans?
03:16: Muhammad Bashir: Because America…the helicopters that America is saying; IT carried out the operation. If
America did this operation and it’s army came and it’s helicopter came, then that helicopter that came from the
American’s, within that, all the people that came, those people with the explosion were finished, got destroyed!
03:35: Muhammad Bashir: Within it, there was fire, those people, all of them died!
03:39: and if Osama was there, they would have put him in the helicopter. Obviously, if the helicopter caught fire,
Osama could have died there. If their own people were gone, (dead) so could have Osama. After that, the fallen helicopter was
destroyed after this, how can Osama be, with them in America? this is a strange thing!

Video cut & resumes
03:59: Muhammad Bashir: They are saying we killed Osama here. After that, they picked him up and took him away.
04:04: Muhammad Bashir: PICKED HIM UP AND TOOK HIM AWAY – how did they do this? This, what we are thinking!
04:07: Muhammad Bashir: The Americans’ helicopter that came, that fell here and got destroyed!
04:09: Reporter: There was only ONE helicopter?
04:11: Muhammad Bashir: ONE helicopter landed down here, the second helicopter came from above and went towards Mansera.
It did not land. No second helicopter landed!
04:20: Only ONE helicopter, that first dropped it’s passengers, the SAME returned to pick the people and there was an
explosion within it.
04:27: Reporter: People were inside it?
04:29: Muhammad Bashir: People were inside it!
04:30: Reporter: How do you know this?
04:32: Muhammad Bashir: These people, we seen them all
04:34: Reporter: In the helicopter… you saw dead people?
04:36: Muhammad Bashir: We saw dead people!
04:38: Reporter:How many people?
04:39: Muhammad Bashir: This, we could not count, within the compound there was fire.
04:43: Muhammad Bashir: and we… the gate was open, we entered the gate, at that time the Army had not arrived.
04:48: Muhammad Bashir: Police had not arrived. Some people from the agencies, were present, but they did not prevent
anybody, they kept entering, every person was looking , now, nobody is saying, but everyone from the mohalla (neighbourhood) and all the people present from the mohalla arrived first. We saw the gate open, we entered inside,
saw the burning helicopter, the people inside were dead. After that everything was lifted. Now, there is nothing there!
05:16: Reporter: How many dead bodies did you see?
05:18: Muhammad Bashir: Look, you cannot count, the dead bodies were in pieces everything else was broken pieces, some
here, some there, some broken, some half, some like this.
05:27: Reporter: Tell me fully – what happened?
06:30: Reporter: Tell me the full events
05:31: Muhammad Bashir: I told you, this is…
05:32: Reporter: You did not…I cannot believe this, that’s why.
05:36: Muhammad Bashir: Look, what I have said – that’s it!

Video Cut!
05:39: Reporter: When you saw the American craft, (Helicopter) what did you think, why they came here?
05:42: Muhammad Bashir: We thought… this is it…why did they came? we thought why did they come? maybe..we… did not
expect them to do anything, we thought maybe our Army is arriving at some centre and the army people were sleeping,
there was no explosions or events taking place, nothing was happening, everybody was sleeping, for 20 minutes or so…
06:05: Reporter: The craft landed in front of your house, how did you feel about this?
06:08: Muhammad Bashir: I thought..just…understand…imagine..we thought we’re dead!

Video cut:
06:13: Reporter: But, how did the Americans return?
06:16: Muhammad Bashir: This is what I am saying; their Craft came and the helicopter was destroyed, HOW, could they return?
06:22: Reporter: Tell me this; you say, that you saw the dead bodies yourself….
06:25: Muhammad Bashir: one more thing, Madam, may I tell you;The people who were dropped from the craft, That walkway … that
..where our gates are…they banged them hard…and shouted… don’t come out…don’t do this, don’t do that, if you come
out you will be shot..we will do this, we will do that, all the people who were dropped, all of them spoke Pashtu
(Afgahni Language) – Pakhtun!
06:49: Reporter: Who were these people?
06:49: Muhammad Bashir: This I do not know! Those who were dropped from the craft (helicopter), those people.
06:54: Reporter: This, somebody else told me – that they spoke Pashtu.
06:57: Muhammad Bashir: They WERE Pashtun! we do not know if they were working for the Americans, we do not know if they
were working for Pakistan, we do not know if they were army people or civilian, what people, BUT they SPOKE PASHTU!
07:07: Reporter: You said you heard they were asking for Osama?
07:09: Muhammad Bashir: No, they didn’t ask me about Osama, they just said, do not come out, if you come out from your
house, we will shoot you!
07:16: Reporter: Were these Pakistani people?
Muhammad Bashir: who?
07:18: Reporter: The ones who were saying that if you come out, we will shoot you.
07:20: Muhammad Bashir: They said that in Pashtu!
07:22: Reporter: so did they..were you coming out…exactly where were you, where was you standing when this happened?
07:26: Muhammad Bashir: Inside the house, on top of the roof, I was not in the house, just on top of the (flat)roof
07:29: Reporter: from Above the roof these people in the helicopter…
07:30: Muhammad Bashir: I was on the roof, sitting, no, lying down, on the roof,lying and watching this and what was
happening
07:37: Reporter: Fear, was you not afraid? did you not think to phone someone?
07:40: Muhammad Bashir: From the house, They were calling me from downstairs, the children were calling me, come down,
come down, and I told them stop making noise! go into your rooms, I am watching what is happening. Afterwards, I found
out about this, that, Osama was killed here!
07:53: Reporter: How did you get inside? (the compound)
Muhammad Bashir: where?
Reporter: when there was fire.
Muhammad Bashir: the gate was open, when there was fire, the gate was open.
08:02: Reporter: The house gate was open?
08:03: Muhammad Bashir: The outer gate, the big gate, was open.
08:06: Reporter: You came from upstairs to downstairs?
08:08: Muhammad Bashir: I came down, from my own house into the gulley, I didn’t go alone inside the other house, 200 other people went inside! Everybody saw it!
08:15: Reporter: All 200 saw the dead bodies?
08:17: Muhammad Bashir: Everybody saw this.Whoever went inside they saw everything!
08:20: Reporting:the events at that time that are in your mind, please express them.
08:28: Muhammad Bashir: I have told you this and this, in my mind, this is what I have seen, when we were there, when we
entered the gate, When the helicopter exploded, it scattered everywhere, one piece fell over there, one fell here, one
here, a lot of pieces fell in the gulley outside, they reached up to the gulley and our house and also some pieces managed to reach onto my roof. so, the area of the open space there (in front of the house) is about four Kanal in
size. It is a very large compound. You cannot see all of it from one location. Four Kanal is a big area, only in a small area you could possibly see everything. There I saw some people, in broken pieces, someone’s leg, someone’s arm,
someone’s torso, someone’s head. Beside this, I did not see intensely, who are they, how are they, because I thought that one of our own craft had fallen and the people within it were our own people. Because they spoke Pashtu they could be pakistani.
09:35: Muhammad Bashir: but language does not necessarily mean.. by speaking it…the American language could be spoken, the agents can speak all sorts of languages. It could be that it is the American army and they could speak Pashtu and the people would think that it is our own people.
09:54: Reporter: Seeing the dead bodies – did you not feel fear?
09:57: Muhammad Bashir: But we were thinking about ourselves at the time, but seeing the dead bodies who felt frightened?
10:00: Reporter: When you went inside, what did you do after that, how did you come out?
10:02: Muhammad Bashir: we came out, our Army reached there, when the army arrived, they moved all the people back. Move
aside, move aside! So we moved aside.Then they closed the area down.
10:13: Reporter: did Rais see this?
Muhammad Bashir: What?
Reporter: where was your cousin?
10:18: Muhammad Bashir: My cousin was at that time in the house.
10:20: Reporter: Did he go with you?
10:21: Muhammad Bashir: He was with me, but I did not notice when he was picked up.
10:28: Reporter: Has he returned yet?
10:29: Muhammad Bashir: Yes, he has returned. They picked him up and took him away.
10:32: Reporter: What is he saying?
10:34:Muhammad Bashir: I have not met him yet, he is at home they will not let him come out, we are not allowed to visit him, they will not let him come out.We have not met.
10:40: Reporter: You was not able find out, but since when have you been allowed out.
10:45: Muhammad Bashir: I did not go home, by going home…
Reporter:You have seen the fire you have seen the bodies how long did you stay there?
Muhammad Bashir: approximately, after five or six minutes, I left and came out..five, six minute..what happened …. the reason we left, was that after we entered, there was another small explosion, I do not know if the engine fail and
there was another fire, it was a small explosion, after this explosion all the people ran out.
11:06: Muhammad Bashir: when we went out, nobody let us go back in again.
11:11: Reporter: Besides you, why is nobody else saying these things? why are you alone in this?
11:16: Muhammad Bashir: Look, what we have seen, that is what we are saying and we are speaking for this reason that, we are sad that such humble and nice people of our town, that has never seen such events, no fighting, no arguments, no animosity, No murders, such nice people of ours in this town and they have been branded as terrorists.
11:43: Reporter: Tell me; two helicopters came, lifted and took the rest of the people?
11:46:Muhammad Bashir: No – they did not take the rest of the people, because they did not even land, One came from the West and it left towards the North, the one that came from the North, left towards the South. They did not land!

12:00: Studio Reporter: these events that we showed you from Abotabad, there are many more things that we discovered about the compound where OBL was staying, there were vegetables planted there, what kind of vegetables, the person who grows the vegetables is the cousin of this person (Muhammad Bashir), whose interview we have shown. An extraordinary
thing that he has said and he has sworn repeatedly on the veracity of his statement. this is from his own account and upon this account do view this. Yesterday we found out and it has been confirmed that there were two Ashfaq’s who lived there (in the compound):Mr Arshad and Mr Tariq who went shopping locally and used to buy international brands, the items they found in the house, dry dates, dried meat and things like this, this person who you saw in the
interview in his house there was food from OBL’s house, he was given Kaabli Pillau (Rice) and such items were presented to him, There the view of local mosque people, what they think of OBL all these things we will present to
you in an exclusive program an important newsbeat, todays time is finishing, do write to us at newsbeat@samaa.tv where you can get other information as well and you can join us at newsbeat with Fareeha Idrees thats my favourite bit, do
write to us, the time is up now, By your permission to leave, take care of yourself, In Allah’s care.

13:20: Reporter: I am now at standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair Mosque, this is the same mosque that is within walking distance from OBL’s house. Are you saying that if people found out that OBL was living here, would they be happy?
1st man: Possibly, people could be happy.
2nd man: He wasn’t living here, but he was a Muslim, he believed in Allah.

End of translation

Anyone fluent in Urdu who wishes to dispute the translation should do so.

I asked the translator if he might contact the Pakistani news organization and inquire if the reporters had further investigated Bashir’s story. He replied that he could do so, but exactly 24 hours later “for some unknown reason” the news organization started to discredit Bashir by connecting “him to his cousin, who is accused of receiving foodstuffs from the household of OBL.”

Bashir’s cousin is the person who, according to the reporter (see 12:00 time line) had a vegetable garden inside the wall of the alleged bin Laden compound. Is it likely that with a hunted and dangerous person hiding within, locals would be permitted to have vegetable gardens inside the compound? The cousin’s vegetable garden obviously had to be redefined as “receiving foodstuffs from OBL.”

The translator offers his view on the 13:20 timeline:

“The final seconds of the video clip contain random people to generate and show some kind of sympathy with OBL in the district.

“It would be very difficult to find people in Pakistan who sympathise with OBL or the Taliban. The only people who do sympathise are the poor illiterate people who do not know about the religion and can easily be convinced of a distorted version of Islam.
Therefore, the closing part of the video contains, out of context expressions:

“1st man: Possibly, people could be happy. (Meaning it is possible that SOME people could be happy.)
2nd man: He wasn’t living here, but he was a Muslim, he believed in Allah. (Meaning; he claimed to be Muslim, so he must have believed in Allah.)

“Therefore, it seems that although initially, the TV station was overjoyed with this interview, they changed their tune, twenty four hours later. (for some unknown reason.)”

Readers can arrive at their own conclusions. It seems clear that under intense pressure and serious threats from the US government, the Pakistani government fell in line with the US government’s claim that a commando raid had killed bin Laden and all had returned safely, and that the TV news organization also got the message to get in line.

It is likely that the many witnesses who observed the dead from the helicopter crash have been warned to keep quiet. However, a news organization, should one be so inclined, could certainly interview Bashir and the 200 others who saw the dead bodies. A good reporter, perhaps accompanied by trained psychologists, would be able to tell if people were lying out of fear and encourage some to speak anonymously.

I am confident that no news organization believes that it could confront such an important US national myth in this way. The killing of bin Laden satisfies the emotional need for revenge and justice. In the least, a news organization that challenged the government’s story would be cut off from all government sources and be denounced by politicians and a large percentage of the US population as an anti-American terrorist-serving organization.

OBL’s death will remain one of those many “truths” that rest on nothing but the government’s word.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was appointed by President Reagan Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury and confirmed by the US Senate. He was Associate Editor and columnist with the Wall Street Journal, and he served on the personal staffs of Representative Jack Kemp and Senator Orrin Hatch. He was staff associate of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, staff associate of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, and Chief Economist, Republican Staff, House Budget Committee. He wrote the Kemp-Roth tax rate reduction bill, and was a leader in the supply-side revolution. He was professor of economics in six universities, and is the author of numerous books and scholarly contributions. He has testified before committees of Congress on 30 occasions.

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capt jim's avatarcapt jim · 6 days ago

How many times can you dig up a dead horse–he’s dead and the truth died with him–end of story

Now, the beginning of the story is very important–the USI trained and equipped him and made him one of their own–then just like with Saddam they used him and then had him killed so he too could never tell the truth of how it was them who destroyed our world and blamed their hated enemies.

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Guesto's avatarGuesto · 6 days ago

The MSM would have us believe that the US public celebrated the alledged murder of OBL and that it boosted approval ratings for President Obama. It’s hard for me to believe that Americans are that sadistic and blood thirsty that they would celebrate the alledged grizzly murder of someone who may or may not have had a hand in 9/11.

Apparently some people don’t recognize that they too could suffer a bloody execution for something they may not have done. The concept of empathy and the Golden Rule apparently are anachronisms.

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Says commenter “capt jim”:

“How many times can you dig up a dead horse–he’s dead and the truth died with him–end of story “.

To which my response is: Wrong, “capt jim”; the “horse” — that is, the truth about what may have really happened — isn’t “dead”. Rather, as elements of the truth — or even allegations as to what may or may not be the truth — is just the beginning.

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reveldor's avatarreveldor · 6 days ago

They lied about the JFK assination. They lied about the RFK assination. They lied about the MLK assination. They lied about 9/11. They lied about Vietnam. They lied about Iraq. They lied about the state of the us economy. You think this time they’re telling gthe truth. Come on!

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InTheKeyOfE's avatarInTheKeyOfE · 6 days ago

I heard on the car radio today that some of the Nave Seals who were part of the unit which ‘supposedly’ killed Bin Laden went down in a helicopter crash. Many died. When you hear such stories on the radio, even on that bastion of progressive newscasting NPR, the Seal team is referred to as the ones who DID kill Bin Laden. Any MSM outlet conveys the government’s stance without a hitch. They are puppets on a string, and the string, as someone else on here pointed out recently, goes straight to Washington, D.C. and provides these outlets with “access.” so they can continue to interview and quote “government officials.” People still believe what these people even say? Why would you? One can find more truth on the ‘Housewives of New Jersey.’ Personally, I don’t watch TV.

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SAJN's avatarSAJN · 6 days ago

The mainstream media is fucking liar, every-time they open their mouth, the lie comes as shit from their mouth. They are pathological liars. They even lie who their own father is, they make their father whoever they feel convenient and useful. They are the mouthpiece for the cruel and ruthless murderers, their hands are dripping with blood of weak and helpless. They invent lie, make Bogie man just to hide their crime against humanity. The killing of Bush, Blair, Dick Chaney and Obama of Millions of innocent people makes Alqiada and Bin Ladin looks like Mother Teresa. The Mainstream media which is the not only pimp/prostitute hides their crime against humanity. Are these millions innocent people killed will go without accountability?, Is this human race still have any conciseness? who is going to give justice to the one who is killed, tortured, up-rooted and driven out of their land for nothing. Is this will keep going on> The murders keep roaming around with medals on their neck as heroes. Is this world gone deluded or crazy?. Civilized society, my foot, where is Hague and UNO?, they are sold-out to the fucking elites and voice of the oppressed has been crushed to death. Who is going to give them justice? Wake-up humanity, if you not than you are next — Nobody is going to rise for you.

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Geltmeister's avatarGeltmeister · 6 days ago

It is reported that the team that, in violation of international laws and norms of behaviour, killed an unarmed OBL and then dumped his body at sea, have all died in action.

So now there are presumably no living witness to contradict the official fable. How very bloody convenient.

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Raymound Annonymous's avatarRaymound Annonymous · 6 days ago

These idiot Yanks like kicking asses, forever saying how they want to kick ass! [Let us kick ass!]
But fortunately, the way it always end up
Is to have their asses kicked [LOL]
They never learn! [Poor sods!]
Surely by now they must have developed thick, leathery, asses! From the regular ass kicking they receive!
Must have! Must have! Otherwise they won’t keep on getting of more of the same?
Must add a thick brain too? [Poor sods!]
Had they got half functional a brain! They would kick the asses of those sending them on these missions!
To get their asses kicked

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peacelily's avatarpeacelily · 6 days ago

From this story my take is this:

Special Forces arrive, pumped-up on God-knows-what drugs and adrenaline and forcibly enter the house. Once inside, they see an old man sitting in front of a tv. There are a few other family members around, but no OBL. Realizing there’s been some mistake, they panic and rather than fuck up the mission, they proceed to kill everyone in the room, anyway.

Then they all leave the house thinking they will be whisked away to safety by the waiting helicopter. What they don’t realize is that the great betrayal still awaits them. The helicopter blows up on cue, and, conveniently, no one involved lives to tell the tale.

Then, the official spin-machine slips into high gear…and, well… you know the rest.

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neville's avatarneville · 6 days ago

The American authorities tell one lie after another ,so to get to THE TRUTH many innocent victims will have to be forfieted just as was the case in the Twin Tower murders by Ameican operatives and or their counterparts frome elsewhere in the world.
America is theLAND OF THE LIE,THE LAND OF DREAMERS AND HOLLYWOOD .
How the bloody hell do you think we will ever extract THE TRUTH from all the BULLSHIT we have to dig through.

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SEAL Team 6 Killed To Cover Up Osama Bin Laden Lie!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbGnAN7ps0w

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Sources Seal Team 6 Was Murdered-Alex Jones

The SEALs team has reportedly been extremely angry about the fabricated OBL raid and ready to talk. Alex Jones to bring sources on air tomorrow LIVE at 11 AM CST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j-lLQ502Ml0

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 Suppressed TV Report of Navy Seals Killed in bin Laden Operation (Urdo – Translation)

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Navy Seal Team 6 – The Cover-up Continues

Navy Seals Team 6 – Update or Conspiracy Alert

US (Obama) bars media from covering return of 30 dead soldiers killed in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has ruled out media coverage of a ceremony marking the return of 30 US soldiers, including 22 Navy SEALs, who were killed when the helicopter they were travelling in was shot down in Afghanistan.

The return of the remains in flag draped coffins to the Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, possibly today, was denied media coverage because given the nature of the attack there were “no identifiable remains” of these servicemen, Pentagon spokesman Marine Col David Lapan told reporters during an off camera briefing.

The International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said the CH-47 Chinook helicopter was reportedly shot down by an insurgent rocket-propelled grenade while transporting the US service members and Afghan commandos to the scene of an engagement between ISAF and insurgent forces.

As a result of the attack, the helicopter exploded in midair, killing everyone on board.

“Due to the catastrophic nature of the crash, the remains of our fallen service members will be returned to the US via Dover AFB in unidentified status, until they can be positively identified by the Armed Forces Mortuary Affairs Office at Dover,” another Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt Jane Campbell said in a statement later.

“Because the remains are unidentified at this point, next-of-kin are not in a position to grant approval for media access to the dignified transfer,” he said.

Therefore, in accordance with the policy of the Department of Defense, no media coverage of the arrival and dignified transfer is permitted, Campbell said.

“Families will however, be given the opportunity to be present for the arrival,” he said.

Coverage of arrival of soldiers killed in battlefield was banned for the media during the previous Bush administration.

The Obama administration permitted media coverage of the return ceremony for service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, subject to the approval by the next-of-kin. But this time the Department of Defense ruled against the media coverage.

Pentagon Press Association president Nancy Youssef said the organization has protested the decision to ban media coverage and had sought to reverse the decision.  posted at Times of India  –  US

Navy Seals Team 6 – Update or Conspiracy Alert

Posted  by Ask Marion on 7, 2011

Saturday, August 6th, 2011 Fox news released the alert early in the day that twenty members of Seal Team Six, the unit responsible for getting Osama Bin Laden were killed in Afghanistan. Additional information trickled out bit by bit…  And in minutes the blogosphere lit up.  More people than not immediately felt and stated their suspicions that something was just not right with this news.

Then mysteriously by the end of the day the reports began to change and the news was “corrected”, now it was being reported that it wasn’t any of the guys from the Bin Laden mission but other Seals.

We have friends who has a son serving right now that is part of a Special Forces Team and just back states side at a base filled with Special Forces.  He says that everyone of them believes that there is something fishy with the deaths, the reports, the events and especially the changing story.  Below is some input:

Was Seal Team Six Executed by Obama Administration?

The shocking death of the SEALS who took out bin Laden is starting to stink like a corpse.  And the one who’s sniffing that stench the loudest is Ann Barnhardt.  Immediately upon the tragic news of the deaths of Seal Team 6, Ann erupted with disgust at why President Obama’s staff had blared news of the deaths before the families of the deceased had themselves been notified.  This is NOT in accordance with military protocol.  She was also vehemently suspicious of just how Obama had been able to know the identities of the dead personnel when there hadn’t been enough time for DNA analysis; indeed, most of the bodies hadn’t yet been recovered.  But most of all she was highly suspicious as to just how the bumbling buffoons of the Taliban had been able to take out the elite Seals.  We all know that America’s soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan are awesome – but, face it folks, the Seals are a breed apart.

Seals operate in total secrecy, nobody knows who they are, where they are or what they’re doing; in short, the Seals are ‘invisible’ to the world, including their own fellow soldiers.  In fact, the Seals are ‘invisible’ to themselves in terms of knowing where they will be within the next hour or what they will be doing.  That secrecy protects them.  And the protection is ratcheted even higher when one adds in the amazing agility with which Seals move; finding them is nearly impossible because they slip and slide amongst the landscape like – well, like seals do in the ocean, darting at awesome speeds in the twinkling of an eye.  Which means that even if you DO get them in your sights, their speed is so incredible they could vanish before you pull the trigger.  So, given the slovenly ineptitude of the Taliban (a ragtag bunch of losers who more often blow themselves up instead of their targets), it is unthinkable that such a band of incompetents would have been able to execute such a huge number of highly trained, incredibly well-protected Seals.  It was akin to a high school dweeb taking down Bruce Lee with a single kick.

As far as Barnhardt was concerned, the death of the Seals couldonly have happened because of insider information.  The Talibanhad to have known exactly where and when those Seals would be appear on the landscape – and had to been waiting with proper weaponry that would fire at precisely the right moment and angle.  Only then could all of those Seals been taken down.  The Seals wouldn’t have told the Taliban, their brother officers wouldn’t have and neither would have their immediate superiors.  No, only someone much higher up, someone privy to top secret information could have given that out.  And once you understand that an attack of this magnitude needed an insider, the next logical question is – why would the insider do that?  What would be their motive?

Well, if that insider were a President who refused to take out bin Laden because that President didn’t want to ‘upset’ the Muslims, than getting revenge on the ones who did is a whopper of a motive.  A fit of the self-pitying sulks only makes the motive worse.  Contrary to the lies from his administration, Obama was not glorified by the take down of bin Laden, he was instead humiliated.  This is because Obama never had a single thing to do with the terrorist’s death; it was all the work of CIA Director Leon Panetta.  Four months before the attack on the terrorist, Panetta and General Petraeus had located bin Laden’s whereabouts and begged the President to authorize a takedown of the murderer.  But Obama flatly refused.  He was more concerned with the feelings of the Muslim world than the grief and pain of the American victims of 9/11.  Enraged by Obama’s stance, Panetta then staged a palace coup by secretly organizing the entire operation himself (with the explicit cooperation of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates).  The killing of bin Laden was thus Panetta’s triumph, not the Commander in Chief – which accounts for that humiliating picture of the Command Center in the White House basement on the night bin Laden died.  Whereas Clinton, Gates and even VP Biden are all seated at the command table as they’re briefed (off camera) by Panetta on the takedown, the President of the United States is banished from the table to squat in the corner like a tyke on his potty straining to make Number 2.  (Obama even has his finger in his mouth.)  It also explains why Obama’s nanny, Valerie Jarrett, was nowhere in sight.  Because she’d shrieked even worse than Obama against taking out the terrorist because of her concern for Muslim ‘good will’, Panetta had slammed the door of the room shut in her face.  Trust me – Valerie and Barack had more than enough motive to ‘punish’ the Seals.

Well, someone did just that because now the Seals are dead.  Barnhardt is smelling a rat – and I am also.  And the smell is only getting worse with the news (which Barnhardt outlines below) that the Seals themselves were not only clumped together in abnormally huge numbers (they never travel in large packs) but were also NOT traveling in their usual specially armored choppers.

I hope and pray that I (and Ann) are wrong.  But I don’t think so.

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Tip from Afghanistan

Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 6:57 AM MST

I received a tip from a soldier stationed with an aviation brigade out of Jalalabad overnight.

“Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and “others” back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice.

However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately. One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit. Which is causing people to whisper in astonishment, “why were some of the most elite of America’s military, in such large numbers, tooling around on a National Guard aircraft?”

Also, those around me are wondering why such a large number(extremely unconventional for Seals, Green Berets, etc) of them riding in a single aircraft instead of being spread out into numerous aircraft.

Without question, I mean no disrespect to the pilots and crew of the National Guard aircraft, but the fact is that it’s very “strange” that Seals would be conducting an actual mission, with such large numbers, in such a basic aircraft. Especially, given the fact, that there were special operation chinooks easily available, and sitting idle, when this tragedy took place.”

I am not a journalist. I have no means of checking this. But SOMEONE needs to investigate if in fact the SEALS were on a National Guard helo, if there were SPECOPS Chinooks available and idle, and what the difference in armament is between Guard Chinooks and SPECOPS Chinooks. This potential difference in armament is HUGE and could account for the possibility of the Chinook being shot down by an RPG, if that is what happened.

Hello? Journalists? Anyone out there?

UPDATE: The SPECOPS Chinook is a very different beast that is heavily upgraded with enhanced survivability features. It is the Boeing MH-47E/G. Boeing’s Homepage for the SPECOPS chinook here. The soldier quoted above contends that the SEALS were NOT in one of these units, but rather in a standard Chinook while these SPECOPS Chinooks were available and sitting idle. Again, a JOURNALIST needs to confirm this.

UPDATE 2: From a reader:

Ann,
You are on to something here. I was in the 160th 1982- 1985 and I can tell you that the reason the aviation wing was created was so special ops would never again have to fly missions with anyone other than their own pilots and birds.

UPDATE 3: From a reader:

Ann, I’m sure you’re getting a lot of notes on the Chinook debacle. I’m retired USAF familiar with how the system works when it comes to the questions asked by your Jalalabad contact. First, look to the Command Authority. Dispersion protocols are almost never broken except on direct order up the chain high enough that nobody could question or refuse the order without jeopardizing their career.Second, ‘who benefits’? Follow the trail of beneficiaries to the incident. Tactically, intell had to be passed to the shooters as to the timetable. I’m willing to bet that there were several RPG’s (if not Stinger’s – remember, we provided quite a few and never kept a record during the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan) involved. Then, once fired, the shooters had to egress unseen to fight another day. Many people I know, including some recently back from that area say this stinks to high Heaven, as you do.

Updated August 8, 2011 3:30pm ET

Today 31 NATO troops, 20 of them Navy Seals from the Osama bin Laden operation died in what is reported as a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

The chances of this story being true is almost nil.  The chances of this being a staged cover-up is over 80%.  We believe these people were murdered to silence them.  This is why.

Some Possibly Killed in Abbottabad Helicopter Crash Months Before
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor – Veteran Times

We have solid information on two areas:

  1. Osama bin Laden died in 2001 as an active CIA employee and his body was recovered in Afghanistan and taken to “the sand box.”  We were told it was frozen.  We have so much verification from this, CIA, ISI, US military and top officials.  I have a direct confirmation from Bin Laden’s CIA handler who I grilled mercilessly on this.
  2. The Abbottabad operation involved numerous American deaths, witnessed, bodies all over, a helicopter crash. (suppressed translated TV interview below)  These bodies were recovered by land vehicle from Islamabad and there was NO “successful” bin Laden operation of any kind.  There was and has been a CIA safe house in Abbotabad where terror suspects were stored for years.

This gave the US several areas of severe vulnerability.  Generally, Navy Seals are the best people in the world at keeping their mouths shut, these are real team players, as the term “Seal Team” belies.

We at VT were informed that the bin Laden operation was staged at this time, a theatrical farce, to cover the exit of Secretary Gates, the move by former CIA Director Leon Panetta into the DOD as Secretary of Defense and to stem any heroic claims by new CIA Director Petraeus of killing the long dead Osama bin Laden, the long frozen CIA operative.

Petraeus is a possible presidential contender and had to be denied this “gift from heaven,” a fast track to the oval office for sure.

Will We Ever Know What Happened?

Again, I remind you, I went over specific meetings on bin Laden with his handlers, getting every last detail.  I have watched what has gone on, the continuing need to vilify a long dead top CIA operative to provide residual cover for the Bush administration….

The reason?  Bush and his cronies are all facing charges of war crimes, not just in minor jurisdictions but heading for the ICC, putting them on the dock with Gaddafi ( a far less harmful character).

As for the timing of this incident?  This we will work on.  What we can easily surmise is that some of the dead have been dead since their bodies were taken away from the helicopter crash site in Abbotabad.

Who would order such a thing?  We are going to have to wait but we are going to find out.  However, we expected this, the timing is exactly as predicted.

HOW VT TRIED TO SAVE THEM

When the phony Abbotbad operation came out, I immediately understood what happened.  I also saw much potential good from it other than the tragedy of the dead Americans from the crash.  I wrote of this and see their deaths as more heroic than many recognize.

They died to erase for all time remnants of the Bush era fairly tale of bad guy and evildoer Osama bin Laden.  Enough good men had died chasing a ghost who lived only in phony video and audio tapes by “Bin Laden Studios” in Tel Aviv and in the continual “boogeyman” rhetoric of professional fear-mongers.

Not long afterward, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, another able public servant announced the near defeat of Al Qaeda, another Bush fairly tale.

Al Qaeda has never existed, there are no magic worldwide terror conspiracies other than those run by governments.  There are several of those and I have written extensively on these.  Google will help you with this if you are curious.

When VT saw why the government staged this, we saw we could accomplish two things:

  1. We could simply report the truth for those willing to believe it, something we believe is the right thing to do.
  2. We could also support the United States in a very real way, knowing Pakistan would weather this crisis, timed, in some ways, as a face saving move in response to the embarrassing Raymond Davis affair.  I believed if the truth came out, clear enough for insiders, intel and military for sure, to understand that we knew and other insiders knew, there would be no reason to “clean house” afterward, to stage a cover-up and get rid of any involved.

Abbotabad – How Many Died Here?

I had felt that we had provided cover for the Seal Team, we hadn’t trashed them, we acknowledged the dead at Abbotabad where no one else bothered, this is our job as fellow members of America’s military forces (current and former).

More importantly, we got out word, I certainly did enough radio and TV on this, enough that, for anyone who care, the “truth was out there.”

This is all we could do but I hoped it would stem a need for covering tracks.  After all, anyone leaking real information on the operation would only seem like they had gotten it from me and I put it out there in such a manner that I allowed room to be “debunked.”

I do this to protect myself but I really was thinking of them.  These are great guys, Seals are among the best people on earth.  The Seal and Special Forces communities are, of the military groups in the US, some of the finest people I know.

They also help cover my “behind,” which I appreciate.

This is just too obvious, too brazen.  I can’t imagine it started at the White House or even cabinet level but maybe I am deluding myself.  Bin Laden was all about the election.

After the bond collapse and credit disaster yesterday, anything threatening President Obama’s reelection is seen, by some, as a threat to America’s financial survival.  This debt crisis is a bigger threat to the US than a Japanese invasion in 1942 would have been.

You may not see it that way and you certainly cant get out your hunting rifle to fix it. (Don’t be a sap, kill a Jap!)

Osama in Better Days

Someone had gotten to someone.  My best guess and this is a guess…an expose’ by the mainstream media, perhaps Murdoch, another guess, conjecture I admit, regarding the farce at Abbottabad, information possibly gotten through spying, bribery and blackmail, threatened to take down Obama.

With Murdoch’s good friend and “monkeyboy,” Netanyahu ‘on the ropes,” with crowds marching in Israel’s streets demanding his ouster, we have more timing to factor in.

The bin Laden killing, the third rate drama of capturing an unarmed frozen dead guy and throwing him into the ocean had probably become an albatross around certain high ranking necks.

Norway was no accident, it was a warning too.  It has been containerized, just as the Murdoch espionage issue is now “poor Rupert and the pie thrower.”

These Americans are casualties in a game, one like 9/11, sacrificial pawns, like Britain’s 7/7, all lies, all theatre, all evil.

This is not for public consumption.  There are those who know exactly who I am talking to.

There are many of us here who still keep our mouths shut about so many things.  There are too many who don’t even care, most of us at VT do.  Yes, I am aware I can be jailed, I am aware my passport can be pulled, I already see the damned surveillance.

Amateurs.

We aren’t anti-American.  I am simply sick of seeing solutions that go one direction, stealing everything that isn’t nailed down.  I am also sick of the fact that Washington can’t visit the “head’ without Israel’s permission.

This…today, this is too much. It is unforgivable.  We are not going to allow this to stand.

We have a long standing history of “cleaning house” after operations of this kind.  Usually its dead senators in plane crashes, heart attacks, car wrecks, like the Minot Barksdale or 9/11 incidents.  I could name a dozen more.  Does the name Wheeler meaning anything to you?  Anyone remember Pat Tillman?

But this many?

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Keep checking in with us and Ann Branhardt for updates to this story.  Ask Marion~

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Speculation: Seal Team 6 Members Murdered To Cover Up Staged Bin Laden Killing

I don’t give into conspiracy theories very often, as I tend to be an Occam’s Razor analyst: the simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

However, if something stinks – if history and character and patterns lend to a plausibility then, I’m willing to investigate the evidence and make a conclusion about a matter that wanders into ‘conspiracy’.

I never believed for a moment that Obama killed Bin Laden.  I believe Bin Laden was most likely killed at Tora Bora or died from renal failure before 2005.

I believe the Bin Laden “raid” was a set up, and staged for political consumption at home.  I was outraged Vice President Biden identified the Seal Team involved in the raid – something that never normally happens with OPSEC deep cover teams, putting not only the members of the SEAL team at risk, but also their families back home.  Something did not smell right about how the Obama regime and the media were so eager to publicize this elite deep cover team.

Marxists like Josef Stalin were known to perpetrate political hoaxes, and then execute everyone who knew the truth or was involved in the hoax.

The same may be true in this instance, and Americans are beginning to speak out about what they think was a hoax, and now the intentional murder of those Obama sent on the raid to ‘kill’ Bin Laden.

Ann Barnhardt wrote a cogent thought analysis that postulates not only was the Bin Laden raid a staged hoax, but that the helicopter shot down in Afghanistan over the weekend with most of Seal Team 6 on board, was an execution perpetrated by the Obama regime to cover up the truth.

She notes a frightening aspect that raises the plausibility factor for me:

A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.

In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as “training accidents” and the like – and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime’s lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban’s “REVENGE” for the “death of Bin Laden.” As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, “REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.”

I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. 

Her essay is in it’s entirety on Texas Fred’s Blog.

My colleague John Galt Fla also covered this story in more detail:

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Pentagon Caught Lying About SEAL Team 6 Being On a Rescue Mission (08/09/2011)

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Pentagon Caught Lying: SEAL Team 6 Wasn’t On a Rescue Mission

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Federal Jack.com
August 10, 2011

CNN piece exposes another lie in the official story about SEAL Team 6′s demise.

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Deaths of SEAL Team 6 Exposed! – Alex Jones

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Infowars is on the record reporting that members of Seal Team 6 died in the so called OBL raid. The government admits that a super secret helicopter did crash during the OBL raid but says no one died, our intel is different. We predicted that the spin doctors would stage a crash or when a real crash took place that they would say the SEALs died then. This is a old trick that governments all over the world have been caught pulling in the past. Some speculate that Obama had the team killed to cover up what really happened; however our intel does not point that way. The Pentagon may have blown the helicopter up on the ground on the night of the raid and we cover that in the above video. Lastly the globalist MSM is reporting that terrorist have taken credit but that is notoriously filled with disinfo, like in the Norway attack when a fake terrorist group took credit and the media ran with it.

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Seal Team 6 Crash Was An Inside Job!

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This is reportedly the largest one day loss of troops in the 10 year war in Afghanistan and it just happens to be Seal Team 6. So now we are to buy that the men who took out OBL died in a helicopter crash months after pulling off the raid. Our inside sources told us months ago that all the Seals on the helicopter that crashed in the so called OBL raid died, yet the Obama admin says none were killed.

Witnesses on the ground in Pakistan told national News outlets that the Seals went in to the compound then came out got in a stealth craft and it exploded. The video with the witnesses is posted on Infowars.com in our news report titled “Seal Team 6 Deaths Exposed”. Now the globalists may have killed off the rest of the Seal team that made it out in the other stealth helicopter from the OBL raid to tie up loose ends. Bottom line the official bin Laden raid story is a proven fraud so it is no wonder that this story dose not add up.

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Deaths of SEAL Team 6 Exposed

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones
Infowars.com
August 6, 2011

Associated Press sources are reporting a statistically impossible tragedy for U.S. forces in Afghanistan– that of the 38 NATO forces killed in a helicopter crash Friday night, “more than 20″ were members of SEAL Team 6, the covert unit that took credit for killing Osama bin Laden in May.

Mainstream sources are seizing upon claims that the Taliban took credit for downing the helicopter, but that means nothing. Media instantly ran reports that al Qaeda was responsiblefor the bombing & shootings in Norway; moreover, anyone on a message board can make such claims.

Instead, Alex Jones predicted shortly after the raid on bin Laden’s compound that SEALs would soon be reported dead in a helicopter crash or staged incident following multiple reports from military sources who’ve proved accurate in the past, including on-air callers, that SEALs did indeed die during the raid. Official stories admitted after-the-fact that a helicopter went down during the mission, but claimed there were no deaths of U.S. forces.

Below is Alex’s report on the breaking news of SEAL Team 6′s official demise:

Infowars is on the record reporting that members of Seal Team 6 died in the so called OBL raid. The government admits that a super secret helicopter did crash during the OBL raid but says no one died, our intel is different. We predicted that the spin doctors would stage a crash or when a real crash took place that they would say the SEALs died then. This is a old trick that governments all over the world have been caught pulling in the past. Some speculate that Obama had the team killed to cover up what really happened; however our intel does not point that way. The Pentagon may have blown the helicopter up on the ground on the night of the raid and we cover that in the above video. Lastly the globalist MSM is reporting that terrorist have taken credit but that is notoriously filled with disinfo, like in the Norway attack when a fake terrorist group took credit and the media ran with it.

According to the sources, military personnel internally admit to the SEAL deaths, however it was not clear whether it had been the result of an accidental crash, from a firefight with Pakistani military forces stationed only a short distance from the compound, or whether, as Pakistani eyewitnesses indicated (below), the helicopter exploded after covert forces entered.

Whatever the true story, one thing is clear: dead men tell no tales. The inconvenient truth is that governments throughout history have disposed of heroes, covert troops and special forces to keep the real story from coming out. Helicopter and plane crashes have been one of the favorite methods for tying up these loose ends.

Abbottabad residents told CCTV reporters they don’t believe Osama bin Laden was ever at this compund and that the operation was a ‘hoax’. Pakistan’s anti-terrorist squad also could not confirm the killing, according to reports.

Pakistani eyewitnesses to the Abbottabad raid on Osama’s reputed compound reported that a U.S. helicopter exploded and that Americans died, despite the fact that mainstream media reports claimed no one died in the raid. The crash was reported but remains little explained.

As Dr. Paul Craig Roberts presciently dredged up again only yesterday:

In the immediate aftermath of bin Laden’s alleged murder by the SEALs, Pakistani TV interviewed the next door neighbor to bin Laden’s alleged compound. Someone supplied the video with an English translation running at the bottom of the video. According to the translation, the next door neighbor, Mr. Bashir, said that he watched the entire operation from the roof of his house. There were 3 helicopters. Only 1 landed. About a dozen men got out and entered the house. They shortly returned and boarded the helicopter. When the helicopter lifted off it exploded, killing all aboard. Mr. Bashir reports seeing bodies and pieces of bodies all over.

The US government acknowledges that it lost a helicopter, but claims no one was hurt. Obviously, as there were no further landings, if everyone was killed as Mr. Bashir reports, there was no body to be dumped into the ocean.

SEAL Team 6 was formally dissolved in 1987, becoming the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, with its command structure transferred to Joint Special Operations Command. The unit’s true nature and even numbers are unknown.

This May 17 Navy Times article would revise the official account of events, admitting to the crash incident:

Aboard two Black Hawk helicopters were 23 SEALs, an interpreter and a tracking dog named Cairo. Nineteen SEALs would enter the compound, and three of them would find bin Laden, one official said, providing the exact numbers for the first time.

Aboard the Chinooks were two dozen more SEALs, as backup.

[…] The plan unraveled as the first helicopter tried to hover over the compound. The Black Hawk skittered around uncontrollably in the heat-thinned air, forcing the pilot to land. As he did, the tail and rotor got caught on one of the compound’s 12-foot walls. The pilot quickly buried the aircraft’s nose in the dirt to keep it from tipping over, and the SEALs clambered out into an outer courtyard.

[…] It took approximately 15 minutes to reach bin Laden, one official said. The next 23 or so were spent blowing up the broken chopper, after rounding up nine women and 18 children to get them out of range of the blast.

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Abbottabad residents: Operation of killing Bin Laden a hoax

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US President Barack Obama’s dramatic announcement that the world’s most wanted man, Osama Bin Laden was shot dead in a compound in Pakistan’s north western city of Abbotabad surprised the world.
At a distance of about a hundred and thirty kilometers from the federal capital, the garrison city of Abbotabad is a picturesque valley in the foothills of the Karakarom.
Abbottabad is an important military center being the headquarters of an Army brigade.
On May 1st US President Barack Obama’s announcement surprised the people of Pakistan but most of all the Government and the armed forces.
Obama calls it an intelligence driven operation.
An eyewitness of Pakistan said, “We are not fools, it’s America, and the dirty American policies. Whenever they want to take control of an area, they act this way. Osama was never here, America wants to destroy the image of the Pakistan army.”
Pakistan president Asif ali Zardari has denied that Pakistan knew about Osama’s presence in the country.
And those who live close to this compound say bin Laden was never in that house.
An eyewitness of Pakistan said, “I have lived here all my life, I have never seen Osama Bin Laden come or go from here. We are a close knit community. At least we would have seen him once, but we did not. And even if he was killed, the Pakistan army should have conducted the operation”
When I spoke with the members of the anti terrorist squad, surprisingly even they couldn’t confirm Bin Laden’s killing.
Then what are the facts?
Muhammad Imran is a Taliban expert.
Taliban expert Muhammad Imran said, “The people who are living in the adjacent areas and who are the neighbors of this compound, they have a focus on one point, there are certain issues that need to be addressed and I think with the passage of time the story will unfold about what actually happened. Apparently we believe that Bin Laden was here and was killed during the operation, conducted by the american marines.”
There are a number of contradictory theories and growing speculation following Osama Bin Laden’s death as to how and why the operation was carried out in the way it was.
Locals living in the neighborhood say that this operation was a hoax. And if such a high profile target WAS living here, then why didn’t the Pakistani army carry out this operation? Why wasn’t Pakistan kept in the picture. These are the questions that need to be answered by the United states.

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Sealed Lies, Sealed Lips: SEAL Team 6 Dies, But Their Legend Survives

Saman Mohammadi
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Aug 7, 2011

The fraudulent War on Terror is one long, mad nightmare that never ends. The monstrous traitors who have seized Washington from the American people create one big lie after another to try to cover up the big truth that the entire war on terrorism is a grand, historical hoax.

Psychological warfare makes up ninety nine percent of the war on terror. Most of the propaganda and psy-op operations by the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and the Pentagon are directed against the American people and people of other countries who mindlessly believe everything they’re told.

The Bin Laden myth was created to provide an ideological function in the war on terror, and to get people to believe in a big boogeyman.

Bin Laden did not do 9/11. And he was not assassinated by SEAL Team 6 (although, they are more than capable of killing any real enemy to America’s existence anywhere on earth).

Bin Laden died early in the war on terror. Dr. Steve Pieczenik, who served as a top counter-terrorist officer in the American government,told the Alex Jones show in May that Bin Laden died in late 2001/early 2002. Other government experts from around the world have confirmed this claim. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is the truth.

But Bin Laden’s real death couldn’t be publicly announced to the world by the traitors who control the U.S. government because the war on terror would lose popular legitimacy if that fact was common knowledge. So, the U.S. empire kept alive this mythic enemy in the collective global consciousness for a decade – a myth that the Bush administration/Israel/Neocons created out of whole cloth to satisfy the need for an enemy.

But, as new fronts in the war on terror began to open up (Syria, Libya, Iran) the CIA and Pentagon figured they could politically boost Obama’s abysmal poll numbers by saying he “ordered” a special NAVY seals team to kill Bin Laden and bring home the ultimate war trophy to the American people.

The staged announcement of Bin Laden’s fake death served two goals. 1) Turn Obama into a competent commander in chief to hide the fact that he is really a spineless slave and a traitor, and 2) Flip the script in the war on terror, where it is no longer about getting Al Qaeda but getting “state-sponsors” of terror like Syria, Iran, and Pakistan.

II. Closure of The Bin Laden Legend: When a Storybook Ending is Just Another Episode in The Ongoing Horror Show That is The War on Terror

I don’t know what to make of the news that members of SEAL Team 6 were killed in an attack on their helicopter in Afghanistan. It is either a totally fake story, or these soldiers were murdered by the shadow U.S. government because they knew too much like Pat Tillman (RIP).

I have read a lot of point of views on various comment sections on different sites, and one point that keeps coming up is that it is impossible for 20 highly-trained elite NAVY seals to be in the same helicopter at once. One NAVY Seals is like 10 regular soldiers, so it makes sense that they travel in smaller units.

We cannot take anything at face value because everything that the shadow government in Washington sells to the American people and the world is a lie. This whole war on terror is a war on reality and real history. The last ten years has been full of military legends and psy-op hoaxes.

There is the 9/11 legend, the Bin Laden legend, the Jessica Lynch legend, the Pat Tillman legend, the SEAL Team 6 legend, and on and on. The next thing they’ll say is Bin Laden rose from the grave like Jesus of Nazareth to attack America in a nuclear showdown.

This whole world is so crazy. All we know for certain is that: A) Bin Laden was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, B) He died long before May 2011, and C) The war on terror was never about getting Al Qaeda, which is a non-existent terrorist organization.

III. The American Soldier: A Conned Pawn, A Loyal Patriot, A Noble Warrior

Paul Craig Roberts has written a very informative article on August 6 about Bin Laden’s fake assassination called, “Pakistan TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s Death”:

In my recent article, “Creating Evidence Where There Is None,” about the alleged killing of Osama bin Laden by a commando team of US Seals in Abbottabad, Pakistan, I provided a link to a Pakistani National TV interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to the alleged “compound” of Osama bin Laden. I described the story that Bashir gave of the “attack” and its enormous difference from the one told by the US government.

In Bashair’s account, every member of the landing party and anyone brought from the house died when the helicopter exploded on lift-off.

Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, also says that members of a US Seals team were killed in the covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Duff writes in his article, “Breaking News: “Bin Laden” Heroes Probably Murderered to Keep Them Quiet”:

What we can easily surmise is that some of the dead have been dead since their bodies were taken away from the helicopter crash site in Abbotabad.

Duff also writes:

Al Qaeda has never existed, there are no magic worldwide terror conspiracies other than those run by governments.

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones write in their article, “Deaths of SEAL Team 6 Exposed”:

Whatever the true story, one thing is clear: dead men tell no tales. The inconvenient truth is that governments throughout history have disposed of heroes, covert troops and special forces to keep the real story from coming out. Helicopter and plane crashes have been one of the favorite methods for tying up these loose ends.

The so-called death of SEAL Team 6 reminds me of the film ‘Clear and Present Danger,’ with Harrison Ford playing CIA analyst Jack Ryan, a character who is based on a real American hero, Dr. Steve Pieczenik. In the film, a secret American military unit is sent to Colombia to fight drug cartels, but is then set up and left behind to die by the double-crossing White House.

The film is more true to life than anything that is put on mainstream television news. The fact that American soldiers are treated like dirt by the evil traitors who run the White House, CIA, Pentagon and the Council of Foreign Relations is a crime and a tragedy.

The political scum that has risen in Washington are abusing and exploiting the sacred spirit of the warrior. The victims of their false and evil wars are the sacrificial pawns in the American military and NATO, as well as the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, America, and other countries that are under attack.

Dr. Pieczenik addressed American soldiers and America’s military leaders on the Alex Jones in May, telling them that they should re-examine the orders that they get from Washington and reflect on what’s good for America, not what’s good for presidents and politicians. Pieczenik said:

“I have the greatest respect for our military men, and I’m saying this to you: the Generals, the Colonels, the Majors, and the Captains. I’ve been lecturing at the War College every year. Be careful of the orders you receive from civilian presidents.

I say it again, and listen to me. Beware of the orders that you receive from civilian presidents like Bush, Clinton, and Obama. Particularly, presidents who have never served in a war and do not know what the consequences of a war are, and the number of men and women who die bravely for our country and our cause because some civilian has to manipulate his political career at the expense of the American public and at the expense of the bodies, and the blood and guts of our warriors who are so important to us.”

IV. Rewind and Remind: How We Will Win The Battle For The Mind of The 21st Century

It is so important that we always go back to Ground Zero, the 9/11 site, and begin the truth-telling from there. We have to remind people again and again that the official story about 9/11 is a giant lie and that the real attackers struck America from inside the Mossad, CIA, Bush administration, and the U.S. shadow government.

The enemies of the truth, freedom and peace know the technique of repetition very well. They repeat lies until they sink in the public consciousness. They have no pity, no mercy, no remorse, no conscience. Barack Obama, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and George H. W. Bush represent the audacity of psychopaths. They are born liars.

But they are not good at lying. Guilty is written on their face. Evil drips down their necks.

And because of their evil and treason, American soldiers are being unjustly demonized for doing what they’re supposed to: kill the enemies of America (as they know them to be).

What American soldiers are not told in military boot camp, and what the American people are not told, is that the enemies of America today are the traitors and state terrorists in Washington and Israel, not the make-believe terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq.

An informed, aware and outspoken American soldier is the greatest enemy of the corrupt new world order, the fraudulent war on terror, and the traitors in Washington like Obama, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Those on the inside who know what is going on and step up to do something about it are targeted for assassination. As journalist Wayne Madsen writes on the Wayne Madsen Report:

Navy SEAL Team 6 members and others killed in Afghanistan chopper crash. “U.S. officials say they believe that none of those who died in the crash participated in the bin Laden raid but were from the same unit that carried out the bin Laden mission.” Either way, the SEALS would have known about the hoax Bin Laden assassination — another Hollywood drama brought to the world by Obama’s spinners of fiction. The SEALS were safer in Abbotabad on their staged mission than they are in fending off the CIA hit teams that will eliminate all of them until there are no more witnesses left.

The highest duty that we infosoldiers can perform is to destroy the false legends, bury the big lies, and raise the truths from obscurity and oblivion.

This is our duty. This is our mission.

Always remember this fact: innocent men, women and children are dying in this false and evil war on terror.
The American soldiers are victims. The NATO soldiers are victims. The people of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan are victims. The American people are victims. The truth is a victim. Freedom is being crushed to dust. Humanity is being destroyed. And all because of the 9/11 attacks.

We are experiencing spiritual madness and undergoing mass cultural and political brainwashing. And it must be stopped.

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SEAL Team Six Story Unfolding

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A National Guard Chinook with a Full Load of Seals and Special Ops?

by  Jim W. Dean, VT editor

Special Operations – Boeing – MH-47E Chinook

Gordon Duff’s piece Saturdayafternoon has run up over 56,000 reads plus whatever the blogger traffic was. We put it out quickly because losing this many SEALS in a one mission crash seemed impossible with the ops procedures for moving these highly trained teams around.

The comment section was very active and generally most all agreed that an a  RPG shot bringing down a SEAL Chinook with a huge team aboard staggered the imagination.

SEAL package insertions and egress are where they are most vulnerable. They have very special transport to protect them from small arms.

The story of their going to the rescue of a pinned down unit…a SEAL insertion would most likely not be going into a landing zone blind as to enemy fire risk. Protecting the landing spot is like….ahhhh….very important !!!

Some VT associates have, for many years, flown “black ops,” including SEAL teams.

Military death notices were going out today (August 8th) and we saw and heard some of the first sad family interviews. And a special one was a National Guardsman, Sgt. Patrick Hamburger, a Chinook crew chief only in Afghanistan for a few days.  So it appears we might have a breach of standard operating procedure where a huge team was put into a National Guard Chinook to go in. No word yet on where the Seals SPECOPS Chinookswere. But I suspect we will not have to wait long.

Sgt. Patrick Hamburger and Daughter

The operational procedures are designed to avoid even the possibility of a loss like this. This should not have happened and no stone will be left unturned.

I hope they fare better than my mother when she became a 16 year old WWII widow. Her newlywed husband got blown to bits with 579 others on the SS Paul Hamilton, April 20th, 1944.

It seems the brass had been packing troops onto ammo ships and they took an aerial torpedo with 7000 tons of explosives aboard. The details were classified for 50 years. I pray that these families fare better.

Our thanks to Ann Barnhardt for  passing the along the personal source news below. We still had no Pentagon video today, but the BBC got a phone interview with an eye witness who says he watched it all from his porch. That is a strange thing to be doing in a fire fight as folks tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

This is an updated CBS news video and some families getting through their horrible Sunday.


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Tips from Afghanistan   …from  Ann Barnhardt

National Guard Chinook

I received a tip from a soldier stationed with an aviation brigade out of Jalalabad overnight.

“Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and “others” back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice.

However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately.

One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit. Which is causing people to whisper in astonishment,

“why were some of the most elite of America’s military, in such large numbers, tooling around on a National Guard aircraft? Also, those around me are wondering why such a large number (extremely unconventional for Seals, Green Berets, etc) of them riding in a single aircraft instead of being spread out into numerous aircraft.”

The Famous Patch

Without question, I mean no disrespect to the pilots and crew of the National Guard aircraft, but the fact is that it’s very “strange” that Seals would be conducting an actual mission, with such large numbers, in such a basic aircraft. …Especially, given the fact that there were special operation chinooks easily available and sitting idle when this tragedy took place.”

I am not a journalist. I have no means of checking this. But SOMEONE needs to investigate if in fact the SEALS were on a National Guard helo, if there were SPECOPS Chinooks available and idle, and what the difference in armament is between Guard Chinooks and SPECOPS Chinooks.

This potential difference in armament is HUGE and could account for the possibility of the Chinook being shot down by an RPG, if that is what happened.

MH-47G Chinook – rollout ceremony 6 May 2007

Following up on the RPG question, we have lost only one (that I can find) SPECOPS Chinook to RPG fire, and that incident saw the RPG shot go inside the cabin of the SPECOPS Chinook through an open hatch. It was a Golden BB shot.

That tells us that the SPECOPS Chinooks are extremely resilient and have high combat survivability. The SPECOPS Chinooks are like a heavily armored Brinks truck.

A standard National Guard Chinook would be analogous to a FedEx truck by comparison. You never pack 25 SEALs into one helo as a point of dispersion protocol, as stated by a reader below.

“I have been told that a MINIMUM of three helos would normally be used for a group of that size. And IF they were indeed in a standard National Guard Chinook and not a SPECOPS Chinook, that would be like rolling out in a FedEx truck with your extremely precious cargo.”

Every human being is infinitely precious, but we can all agree that from a battlefield standpoint, SEALs are “tactically precious.”

UPDATE 2: From a reader:

Ann,

You are on to something here. I was in the 160th 1982- 1985 and I can tell you that the reason the aviation wing was created was so special ops would never again have to fly missions with anyone other than their own pilots and birds.

UPDATE 3: From a reader:

U.S. Army Chinook – Interior

Ann, I’m sure you’re getting a lot of notes on the Chinook debacle. I’m retired USAF familiar with how the system works when it comes to the questions asked by your Jalalabad contact. First, look to the Command Authority.

Dispersion protocols are almost never broken except on direct order up the chain high enough that nobody could question or refuse the order without jeopardizing their career.

Second, ‘who benefits’? Follow the trail of beneficiaries to the incident. Tactically, intell had to be passed to the shooters as to the timetable.

I’m willing to bet that there were several RPG’s (if not Stinger’s – remember, we provided quite a few and never kept a record during the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan) involved. Then, once fired, the shooters had to egress unseen to fight another day.

Many people I know, including some recently back from that area say this stinks to high Heaven, as you do.

Editors Note: We seem to be in the fog of war on what kinds of helicopters these teams use and when. Some checking around has turned up SEALS on Army Chinooks.  Many factors may come into play as to multiple helos, day or night operation. Below is a famous tragic battle of a Ranger rescue attempt of a shot down SEAL chopper team and found their Chinook taken down with an RPG and bullets going through it like butter.


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EPHEMERIS 360°

SEAL TEAM 6 WERE DOOMED SINCE THE FAKE MURDER OF OBL

Strange Coincidence Surrounding a Known Conspiracy

Tony Cartalucci.    Featured Writer

What is a known fact is that Osama Bin Laden was not killed earlier this year during the hyped-Pakistan raid, but rather died nearly a decade ago due to health problems. This means that whoever landed in Pakistan and murdered the people occupying the alleged “Bin Laden” compound, just a stone’s throw away from a nearby CIA safe house, killed someone else. It is quite clear that these people, alleged to have been members of the ultra-secret SEAL Team 6, would then be liabilities to whoever attempted to foist this hoax upon the world.

With that in mind, all the way back in May 2011, Infowars Ireland’s Declan O’Shea predicted SEAL Team 6 would be inevitably eliminated. It appears now, after reports of “US troops” dying in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, that a large part of SEAL Team 6 died with them. In fact, allegedly 22 SEAL Team 6 members are said to have died in the crash, just 2 short of the 24 that allegedly participated in the “Bin Laden” raid. The Pentagon was quick to point out that, even though the identities of SEAL Team 6 members are all closely guarded secrets – they are “sure” none of those who recently died had taken part in the “Osama Bin Laden” assassination.

Declan O’Shea of Infowars Ireland, in May 2011, predicting that the SEAL Team 6 members that raided a compound in Pakistan were not long for this world and would be liquidated to tie up loose ends. Coincidentally, a large portion of SEAL Team 6 was just killed in a recent helicopter crash in Afghanistan – either the liquidation itself, or possible cover for the liquidation, as explained by Alex Jones of Infowars.com.

One thing that is certain, the professionalism, training, and dedication exhibited by the US Navy SEALs or in fact, by any of America’s armed forces, is being exploited and abused by a callus, self-serving, criminal government. Despite all the hollow praise coming from Obama and his speech writers, the reality is they could care less about the lives of these men or the families they left behind. Whether it was murdering Pat Tillman, lying about Jessica Lynch, experimenting on unknowing military test subjects, or using false pretexts to start wars that feed tens of thousands of Americans into the horrors of combat for Exxon, Halliburton, and DynCorps contracts, US troops are but pawns in a power struggle, their lives, honor, and sacrifices maliciously used to perpetuate an unjust dishonorable agenda.

That the US government is so duplicitous that they arouse just as much suspicion as our “enemies” when US troops die in a combat zone should be a warning and wake up call for all of our brave armed forces. America’s enemies are not hiding in caves throughout the mountains of Afghanistan, they strut about with absolute hubris in Washington D.C. and along Wall Street. Now would be a good time to re-read Marine Corps General Smedley Butler’s “War is a Racket” and keep in mind just how the government and the corporate interests that drive them view its “hallowed military heroes.”

A Reminder

And let us, above all, remember that while the US government is full of pot-bellied, paper-pushing, treasonous, craven scum – America’s troops truly believe they are doing what is right. While in reality they serve a despicable agenda driven by a lust for power, they themselves have honorable intentions in mind as they risk their lives on a daily basis. They, like soldiers throughout time, do not wake up every morning swearing allegiance to their leadership’s megalomania, but truly believe they are defending their nation from an enemy they have been told is very real. We must make sure that we continue fighting with that in mind, to match their bravery and sacrifices with the truth and a truly noble cause.

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Seal Team 6 or Power Control Group


The Power Control Group the secret neo-con shadow government that did 9/11 created the illusion that Bin Laden was killed by Seal Team 6.

The proof of this is that the video feed was “blacked out” for the key 25 minute time period when the Seals were supposedly inside Bin Laden’s house killing him.

This is the same thing as the FAA radars being flooded with false blips on 9/11 as part of the war games and the same thing as the “Angel is Next” phone threat that came into the White House that morning which was never supposed to be made public.

So whatever the people in the photo below were watching was a Made for TV fake reality program just as believable as an episode of my own “24” show.

The Power Control Group actually fooled Obama and Biden and Hillary but probably not Gates and Mullen since they are both well aware of who’s really in charge. Not them that’s for sure.

Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound

The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. 

President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, along with with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: “Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

“We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound.”

Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

He said: “The authority here was to kill bin Laden. And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn’t appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.

“To be frank, I don’t think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it – this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals.”

The President only knew the mission was successful after the Navy Seals commander heard the word “Geronimo” on the radio, a code word from commandos reporting that they had killed bin Laden.

The absence of footage of the raid has led to conflicting reports about what happened in the compound. According to Pakistani authorities one of bin Laden’s daughter’s, who was present during the raid, claimed that her father was captured alive before he was killed.
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“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding,

“This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,”

referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik

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SOMETHING’S VERY FISHY ABOUT THAT DEAD SEAL TEAM 6

The team that by reports took down OBL…Switching over to a National Guard helo piloted by a newbie into a combat zone-carrying Seal Team 6?  Sounds like someone set those boys up, to keep them quiet about that raid.I’ll go further and state that all Patriots in the military, and especially those in combat formations overseas are going to be purged.  Likely in war.  This will leave the oath traitors with control of the military.Take another look at this article Message to the Veteran Time To Self-Evacuate.Fight’s over here.Ann Barnhardt has some thoughts;

Confirmed: It was A National Guard Chinook & Crew
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 6:17 PM MST
From the obituary of Sgt. Patrick Hamburger who served in the Nebraska National Guard as a Chinook Helicopter crewman and crew chief. The family was notified at 5:00pm CDT Saturday afternoon. Link Here.
From the article:
Sources from the US military say the giant NATO chopper was called into action as backup. A team conducting a night raid on Taliban fighters was in trouble and the chopper went down as it arrived to help.
Requiescat in pace, Sgt. Hamburger, and all the fallen dead.
Sgt. Hamburger had JUST ARRIVED in Afghanistan a couple of days ago. Why was a green National Guard unit flying backup for DEVGRU SPECOPs??????? Where was the 160th SOAR backup??????
My God.
UPDATE: Additional confirmation that it was a CH-47 transport helo. Copy and paste this URL:
http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/08/07/fighting-at-site-of-us-helicopter-crash-in-central-afghanistan-continues/
What in the HELL was a CH-47 TRANSPORT helo doing in a DEVGRU combat theater???? FILLED WITH 25 SEALS??????? If the SEALs’ MH-47G SPECOPS Chinook that they rode in on was taken out in the Tangi theater, where is the fallen MH-47G helo itself? Shouldn’t there also be dead crew members from the 160th SOAR, which is an Army unit? This ain’t right, people. I’m telling you. This is NOT RIGHT.

On U.S. Stinger Missles in Afghanistan
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 3:49 PM MST
No, the Chinook could not have been shot down with a 1980s-era Stinger supplied by the U.S. when the Soviets were in Afghanistan. It turns out that U.S. Stingers were designed to have an “expiration date” after which they became useless and inert. The seeker head of the U.S. Stinger contained a coolant that degraded over time. All U.S. Stingers in Afghanistan are long since inert. The risk today in Afghanistan are the Russian “Grail” and French “Mistral” MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defense Systems) Following up on the RPG question, we have lost only one (that I can find) SPECOPS Chinook to RPG fire, and that incident saw the RPG shot go inside the cabin of the SPECOPS Chinook through an open hatch. It was a Golden BB shot. That tells us that the SPECOPS Chinooks are extremely resilient and have high combat survivability. The SPECOPS Chinooks are like a heavily armored Brinks truck. A standard National Guard Chinook would be analogous to a FedEx truck by comparison. You never pack 25 SEALs into one helo as a point of dispersion protocol, as stated by a reader below. I have been told that a MINIMUM of three helos would normally be used for a group of that size. And IF they were indeed in a standard National Guard Chinook and not a SPECOPS Chinook, that would be like rolling out in a FedEx truck with your extremely precious cargo.
(Every human being is infinitely precious, but we can all agree that from a battlefield standpoint, SEALs are “tactically precious.”)

Tip from Afghanistan
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 6:57 AM MST
I received a tip from a soldier stationed with an aviation brigade out of Jalalabad overnight. “Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and “others” back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice. 
However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately. One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit. Which is causing people to whisper in astonishment, “why were some of the most elite of America’s military, in such large numbers, tooling around on a National Guard aircraft?”
Also, those around me are wondering why such a large number(extremely unconventional for Seals, Green Berets, etc) of them riding in a single aircraft instead of being spread out into numerous aircraft.
Without question, I mean no disrespect to the pilots and crew of the National Guard aircraft, but the fact is that it’s very “strange” that Seals would be conducting an actual mission, with such large numbers, in such a basic aircraft. Especially, given the fact, that there were special operation chinooks easily available, and sitting idle, when this tragedy took place.”
I am not a journalist. I have no means of checking this. But SOMEONE needs to investigate if in fact the SEALS were on a National Guard helo, if there were SPECOPS Chinooks available and idle, and what the difference in armament is between Guard Chinooks and SPECOPS Chinooks. This potential difference in armament is HUGE and could account for the possibility of the Chinook being shot down by an RPG, if that is what happened.
Hello? Journalists? Anyone out there?
UPDATE: The SPECOPS Chinook is a very different beast that is heavily upgraded with enhanced survivability features. It is the Boeing MH-47E/G. Boeing’s Homepage for the SPECOPS chinook here. The soldier quoted above contends that the SEALS were NOT in one of these units, but rather in a standard Chinook while these SPECOPS Chinooks were available and sitting idle. Again, a JOURNALIST needs to confirm this.
UPDATE 2: From a reader:
Ann,
You are on to something here. I was in the 160th 1982- 1985 and I can tell you that the reason the aviation wing was created was so special ops would never again have to fly missions with anyone other than their own pilots and birds.
UPDATE 3: From a reader:
Ann, I’m sure you’re getting a lot of notes on the Chinook debacle. I’m retired USAF familiar with how the system works when it comes to the questions asked by your Jalalabad contact. First, look to the Command Authority. Dispersion protocols are almost never broken except on direct order up the chain high enough that nobody could question or refuse the order without jeopardizing their career. Second, ‘who benefits’? Follow the trail of beneficiaries to the incident. Tactically, intell had to be passed to the shooters as to the timetable. I’m willing to bet that there were several RPG’s (if not Stinger’s – remember, we provided quite a few and never kept a record during the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan) involved. Then, once fired, the shooters had to egress unseen to fight another day. Many people I know, including some recently back from that area say this stinks to high Heaven, as you do.
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this above is from a virulent Anti Muslim Islamaphobic  website

And who is the author?

What say you, BNI readers?

Posted: August 6, 2011 | Author:  | Filed under: ISLAMOBAMA | 134 Comments »

This is from Ann Barnhardt, that gutsy lady from Colorado who burned every page of a quran on video and and bashed Lindsey Graham for his criticism of quran burners. I’d like to think the theories presented here are not true. But I fear they might be. What say you?

 barnhardt.biz

(H/T Henry P)

UPDATE: BIN LADEN RAID STORY BEING DEBUNKED

POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT – AUGUST 6, AD 2011 8:04 PM MST
Via BigPeace.com, the widely read cover story published in the New Yorker on August 1 by Nicholas Schmidle supposedly detailing the entire Bin Laden raid is being exposed as a fraud. And if you read the debunking piece linked below, you will see that the author C. Christine Fair is no conservative and even calls anti-sharia legislation in the U.S. “ludicrous and shameful.” If you aren’t familiar with the New Yorker magazine, it is an uber-liberal mouthpiece for the Obama regime. Read up.

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Helicopter Crash Killing SEAL Team 6 Members Seems Fishy

Honestly?? I do not know WHAT to believe anymore. That is why this post is one of my “Talk Wisdom Reports – You Decide” links to a blog that counters the Media of Mass Deception explanations of everything being done by the Obama Regime. I was busy all day today and did not see the news on T.V., the radio, or the Internet until just now. When I heard about the Helicopter crash killing 30 Americans I got sick to my stomach!Fox News:
Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6
The whole Bin Laden raid, killing, and dumping the body in the sea seemed fishy to many bloggers. Some are even convinced that it was all a hoax – and absolute sham! I would not put it past this evil administration to make up the entire story of Bin Laden’s demise. Ms. Ann Barnhardt seems convinced that it was all a ruse. Read Ann Barnhardt’s last four posts and you will understand why I am even more sick to my stomach tonight!!

Like Ann, I thought that Bin Laden was dead years ago…probably from kidney disease…and since no official announcement was made, our sitting pResident in the White House decided he needed to take attention about from his latest fraudulent act and do something “big” to shift public attention away.

I hope to God that what Ann has written isn’t true. But this sick feeling in my gut tells me that the Obama regime would do ANYTHING to cover up their evil and stay in power.

Excerpts from the four posts:

1. Obama commissions Hollywood pic on OBL Raid
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 6, AD 2011 9:48 PM MST
Yep. Published this very day, written by uber-leftist Maureen Dowd of the New York Times. The Obama regime has commissioned a major motion picture about the fake Bin Laden raid. The film will be released . . . October 12, 2012.
Guys, we’re into full-blown Leni Reifenstahl territory now.

Here’s the link to the Dowd piece. I am linking to page 2 of 2 because that’s where the stuff about the movie is, but do read the whole thing.
Read up.

Sounds harmless, right? Read on.

2. Update: Bin Laden Raid Story Being Debunked
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 6, AD 2011 8:04 PM MST
Via BigPeace.com, the widely read cover story published in the New Yorker on August 1 by Nicholas Schmidle supposedly detailing the entire Bin Laden raid is being exposed as a fraud. And if you read the debunking piece linked below, you will see that the author C. Christine Fair is no conservative and even calls anti-sharia legislation in the U.S. “ludicrous and shameful.” If you aren’t familiar with the New Yorker magazine, it is an uber-liberal mouthpiece for the Obama regime.
Read up.

3. The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 6, AD 2011 4:08 PM MST
You’re damn right I said it.
On May 5th I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn’t. Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

This is why the “body” was declared “positively identified” faster than any known DNA testing process in existence – and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that “burial” took place within 24 hours of death in order to “honor” musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called “Bin Laden corpse” has ever been released – and never will.

The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi’s book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate” is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi’s work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi’s book is #1 on Amazon.com – fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked.

April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.

It gets worse….

4. The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 6, AD 2011 4:07 PM MST
August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.
In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as “training accidents” and the like – and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime’s lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban’s “REVENGE” for the “death of Bin Laden.” As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, “REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.”

I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:

1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.

2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.

3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours – before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as “revenge” exacted for Bin Laden’s death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can’t stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called “Occam’s Razor”, which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.

This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.

Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down – before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?

I’ll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.

Please go to the link (above, at top of page) and finish reading each post.

Is it too much of a coincidence that SEAL Team 6 members were killed in a shot down helicopter in Afghanistan? I think so…

Praying for the families and loved ones of those brave souls whose earthly lives were lost. Hope that they were each believers in Jesus Christ and are now with Him.

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Other bloggers thoughts:

Tragedy! Twenty Members of Seal Team Six, the Unit Responsible for Getting Osama Bin Laden, Killed In Afg… Coincidence?

7 hours ago
In Memoriam August 6, 2011

4 hours ago
posted by Lady Liberty at The Gateway Pundit – 19 hours ago
(Vanity Fair) This was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six. Fox News reported – The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden we…
&Note: MANY comments over at Gateway Pundit reveal the same gut wrenching feeling that this was either planned as a set up for revenge of Bin Laden’s death and/or that Obama knew about it before it happened.Read all of the comments at the GP site. One commentor is claiming that maybe the SEALS deaths were faked? What…like Bin Laden’s death? Don’t know how that could be pulled off but I wouldn’t put ANYTHING past this evil MarxObama monster in the White House.Here are some of the best comments:

#39 August 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm
WillofLa commented:
I just heard on a news break on the radio that, yes, it was SEAL team 6 who had killed Bin Laden but it wasn’t the very guys who were in on the attack.

This is either the beginning of the cover up, or we need to wait for more info to come out as to who it actually was who got killed.

But dig this, Obama has already sent out his condolences to the families of the guys who were killed. Okay, that’s cool, but he still may have known about this.

Also, #16 has a valid point that our military is full of Muslims who may have leaked this intel to his buddies in the Taliban.

I’m telling you right now, that if the Dept. of the Navy doesn’t find out who did this then we will know that we are all in a world of hurt, that our own Navy with all it’s secret crap that they are involved in, think about all the stuff they’ve designed and use to do all the secret stuff they do, and they wouldn’t be able to find out who it was who leaked the intel?

Otherwise this was just a lucky hit.

#67 August 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Bitter Clinger commented:
And just where is our esteemed CIC? Following the downgrade of our credit and the slaughter of our heroic SEALs, he’s hiding in his shell (crib) like a frightened turtle. You recall him racing to the microphones and cameras when the SEALs took down OBL, right? Why isn’t he in front of the MSM now? Inquiring minds want to know. But, he may need a rest given the festivities of the past week and he’s snoozing. All that fund raising and partying at our WH has worn the babe out……awh………

#71 August 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Druid commented:
I would think it unlikely to find 20 SEALS in one place at one time – even in the COMMZ

#74 August 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Granny commented:
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#71 August 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Druid commented:

I would think it unlikely to find 20 SEALS in one place at one time – even in the COMMZ.
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25 – plus an Afgani special ops team.

So…you see – many people are finding this whole thing quite odd.

79 August 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Redwine commented:
Commie Panetta moves from the CIA to the Pentagon. Then this happens. There’s no such thing as a coincidence.

For Comrade Dear Leader, it’s just one more excuse to party on.

We are being “nudged”.

#81 August 6, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KOW commented:
So, we are to believe that someone allowed over 20 seals onto a slow moving troop transport aircraft, right into the middle of a fight? If you are going to be dropping them off near the battle, they parachute in, or drop them off in smaller groups with quicker strike and aircraft, Otherwise you drop them off in the slow moving craft a mile a way and they hike it in. I still say you dont put that many elite into one craft, and one slow moving craft that like to crash on its on, and likes to be shot down.

I guess I am Monday morning quarterbacking.
#82 August 6, 2011 at 2:37 pm
succotash commented:
Like the rest of the posters here I do not believe in coincidences. Something smells ! My heart breaks for the families and friends of these brave heroes and they will remain in my prayers. We owe it to them to insist this be investigated to the fullest.

donh commented:
Why were so many of the best of the best flying with ” 7 Afgani commandos ” ? Seems ripe for a security breach. Yet they must have had a very important mission…to kill Zawahiri? Mullah Omar ? August 5th was an extremely sad day in American History.

94 August 6, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Craig commented:
Osama Ben Laden died in December 2001 in an hospital in Saudi Arabia… wake-up! Your illegal President got the navy seals killed to silenced them. Barack needed this false flag killing of Ben Laden, to reboost his presidency. The information had started to leak, and this was Soetoro’s solution. Grow-up!

#95 August 6, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Freddy commented:
There never was a reason for ANYONE to know what seal team six was in the first place.

The politicians in the Obama White House painted a big target on that unit.

We have a sadly inexperienced commander in the White House.

97 August 6, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Baraq Hasan al-Bama commented:
Re SEAL Team 6: the idiot Joe Biden is the one who revealed that they were the unit that executed the bin Laden raid. This is against military SOP. Conclusion: their blood is on Obama administration’s hands.

108 August 6, 2011 at 5:07 pm
ruready? commented:
Guys, there are five events that that just occurred within ~48 hours – but what are the chances that this is just merely a coincidence?

1) We have just had the greatest loss of life since the war in Afghanistan began
2) This loss………. was from the squad of OBL termination heros, Seal Team 6
3) This same day our nation loses its top credit rating (after the Tea Party manhandles Congress, I might add) – and we now have less financial respect than France
4) Thursday we just had the worst day in our stock market since 2008
5) These two events occurred within 48 hours at the end of a week (Thursday and Friday)

Come on. What is going on??

Granny commented:
Whatever it is, I am by trade and training a scientist and I can assure you that there is no such thing as coincidence

What is going on? Look to Europe in 1939 for some hints

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#119 August 6, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Richard Popovich commented:
The fault for this shoot-down lies with the fact that the Obama Administration couldn’t keep their mouths shut about who who conducted the Bin Laden raid. My best guess is that while being a good actor about Bin Laden’s death, Obama was ticked-off with the SEAL’s successful raid, and passed information along about what they were doing, and where they would be.

IT ISN’T A COINCIDENCE THAT THE MEN WHO BROUGHT DOWN BIN LADEN WERE ALL KILLED IN ONE FELL SWOOP BY THE TALIBAN!

These men were given-up by our own government, and heads should roll, but the communist leaders in the White House are more slippery than a “Teflon Don.”
#120 August 6, 2011 at 8:00 pm
ruready? commented:
Obama killed these seals.

1) He gave their identity away.
2) He made them fly with a UN pilot – probably an unskilled aviator.
3) He dispirited them by playing politics on the front line by warning them they might not get paid.

Our President is a pre-meditated murderer of Navy Seals.
Strong letter to follow.

123 August 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm
sablegsd commented:
Something reeks mightily about this slaughter of our best and brightest.
I HATE that traitorous obamanation.

Prayers for the lost souls and their families.
And we need to get down on our knees and pray that God will turn his face to us again.

I second that prayer!

Many, many more at the GP site…and great links to click on and read, too.

SEALs Community Mourns Tremendous Loss – Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy WASHINGTON (AP) — Pentagon leaders are mourning the deaths of 38 U.S. and Afghan…

8 hours ago
Comments over at The Blaze are expressing deep sorrow and concern that the SEALS were set up.

loriann12
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 7:53am
My husband’s last duty station (ending in 2001) was working with the SEAL team out of Hawaii (Not Team Six, another one). He has a real soft spot for the SEAL teams. This ripped his heart out. We both think it was a trade-off for taking out Ben Laden…..”I’m going to have Ben Laden taken out, but don’t worry. At a later date I’ll hand over the men who took him out.” I think this goes all the way to the top.

TruthisHealthy
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 9:39am
America is being destroyed by enemies within. We must vote the treasonous anti-Americans out of office. Barry Soetoro and his thugs are responsible for this tragedy. No doubt in my mind.

jungle J
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 7:37am
someone appointed to the state department from the current administration tipped off the Taliban.

rettpr295
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 11:25am
I’ve read all the post on this subject. I’m telling you this whole mess does not pass the smell test. When Obummer needs to deflect negative focus I.e. Financial down grade, nothing surprises me about this corrupt administration. We may never know, but this massive loss of life of some of our finest fighting men, just seems to be a set up. I just hope we learn the truth someday. Obummer needs to go. How many believe that he will gin up some type of dire situation to prevent the 2012 election. I don’t believe this moron will leave office willingly. God bless our fighting men and women.

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